Both of those bows are based on old compound risers. Neither one can be shot off the shelf , because they require a compound style rest, usually a flipper, but you could use a biscuit. You can get into a Bear recurve for a little over $300, about $340, or you could try the Samick Sage for only $150. Not a bad bow for the money, although they are made in China. Because of the holidays stock is low, but I still have some of the Samick bows at the Sportsman's Warehouse in Federal Way. I'll be there until 5 today. Stop by if you get a chance, and we can talk traditional bows. I can even let you try the Samick.